Comment on Revisiting God, Sky & Land by Fritz Guy and Brian Bull by jdoe.
“For example, I do not think that the author of the Genesis account (i.e., Moses) was given privileged information from the modern scientific perspective to understand the nature of the universe or even our own planet or solar system. We actually know things today about the nature of our world and universe that Moses simply did not know or understand. I think most of us would agree on at least this much.” (Sean Pitman, above article quoted)
Mr. Pitman, usually I agree with you… but on this point we differ. I don’t agree with your above statement, simply because we really “don’t know what we don’t know”, i.e. we really don’t know what Moses did or didn’t know. We know what we wrote, and we can hypothesize what he might have known from that, but we really don’t know what he didn’t know. In fact, maybe he knew more than we know!
But what we do know is that God has protected and guided His holy word to be a message to us, for OUR time, as well. I take it just as it says, “six days”. I don’t see anything in the Bible about a flat earth theory, either. In fact, I don’t remember the passage, but there is a verse that implies that the earth is round (maybe you know of the verse I am speaking).
I would also like to add that Moses, although born a Hebrew, was also raised as an Egyptian prince. With all of Egypt’s vast scientific knowledge for such a “primitive” society, he also was privy to what they knew of the universe, of their mathematical and architectural skills, etc. My point being, probably Moses was a whole lot smarter than we give him credit for!
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Revisiting God, Sky & Land by Fritz Guy and Brian Bull
Part of what is happening in this ongoing discussion on creation/evolution/etc. is also going on within the SDA church on a macro level. It seems that so much of our fellow SDA brethren want the world to like us. We want to be accepted and embraced by not only mainstream Protestantism but the scientific community, as well.
In short, it seems that many in the Adventist faith want to serve two masters… and this, according to Christ, is impossible! True Christianity means being hated and despised for Christ’s sake. We are asked to be a “peculiar people”.
As someone who grew up an SDA in California (and an alumni of LLU/LSC, as it was then known), I myself have been guilty as charged of wanting to “fit in”, not stand apart. This, my brothers and sisters in Christ, we cannot do! We will never “fit in” or be “accepted”– our charge given us by Christ is to speak the truth, HIS truth, but always in love.
So what are we afraid of? Not being liked by the scientific community or the rest of academia? If Christ is for us, who can be against us?
I get where you’re coming from… thanks for the clarification!
I concur wholeheartedly on EG White, also… she was truly inspired, and we need her insights now more than ever!
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Absolutely, Holly. I don’t doubt Dr. Taylors’ sincerity, but it does give me pause when someone answers that they are “not sure” if they believe the Bible or not.
I have always appreciated your comments on this website very much. And for that matter, Dr. Taylors’ comments, also, as he continues to make the contrast between SDAs and “in name only ‘SDAs'” all the more clear.
Don’t worry, Erv… if God can open my eyes to His truth (which I believe He has), He can also show you the truth someday (if you’re willing to listen).
I’ll be praying for you.
For the record (and for those joining this late), here’s my questions again, and Dr. Taylors’ answers:
1) Do you believe we are living in the last days of earth’s history? “NO”
Do you believe the Bible, when it speaks of “your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions” as it says in Joel 2:28? “NOT SURE”
Lastly, do you believe that God gave EGW the Spirit of Prophecy? “NO”
Good to know where one is coming from…
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Does anyone know the status of future plans for Atlantic Union College? I find it incredibly sad that the oldest Adventist educational institution in the world has closed its doors. I have heard that a School of Evangelism may be starting at Founder’s Hall (EGW gave money to build this historic building), but so far no word on the future for AUC since the merger with WAU fell thru.
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As a graduate of (then) Loma Linda University – La Sierra, I cannot even believe we are all having this discussion over Bible truth. Honestly, it breaks my heart every time I come to this website, to read about the goings-on at my alma mater. I just cannot believe we have come to this point in our history as Adventists.
Bill, I posted an EGW quote below, then read your comment on “Ahab and Jezebel…” So true! My quote is from the beginning of the chapter, “In the Sprit of Elias (Elijah)”…. I see so many similarities between the Mt. Carmel story and what’s happening now!