Comment on Dr. John Sanford Lectures on Inevitable Genomic Deterioration by -Shining.
@Dr. Pitman
You know what I think? I think you did not think through what you said about some of us. While my name was not mentioned, it is true I would NEVER, NOT EVER, say I believe in Darwinian evolution. Do I believe in fixity of species? NO. Do I believe that changes are happening in plants and animals? YES. So why wouldn’t I join those who say they believe in Darwinian Evolution? The reason is that almost all people of all ranges of education and area of studies would think I meant millions of years of random mutation that changed into the diversity of the biome as it is in the fossil record and life still on planet earth.
Not only did you not understand or respect some of us who won’t say those words but you implied that, you know, we are lacking in ability to perceive the truth of the matter because our training has not been in medicine and/or biology. It is possible that you don’t realize that there is more than one way to become knowledgable concerning the earth and its origins. I have been tracking this subject for over 35 years: reading books, watching tapes, attending seminars, discussing with others who do the same. One would think, since you know how many with advanced science degrees have thrown over all reason to defend their religious evolutionary faith, that you would know that attending science classes does not insure logical conclusions in this area. One also gets the impression that you think God left matters so vague that only a few that are specially trained can get an accurate picture of this important topic.
I must say I did not expect to ever disagree with you in a significant way. I am very disappointed. I think you owe the Bible believing writers on this blog an apology. Ya blew this one.
-Shining
BTW for the record – if I saw a real link between major kinds I would not be surprised. Considering what we can now do with DNA and the intelligence of those before the flood, the thing that surprises me is that we really haven’t found any. Also if there were crosses currently developing between kinds, that would not throw me either. God meant for there to be no sin, pain, or death but there is. What might be able to happen is not what did happen in the beginning. However, I do not think, with all the fossils that are in all the museums, that the evos are ever gonna’ provide reasonable evidence for much of anything.
When I started attending public college (I have 2 teaching credentials and 2 M.A.s in education), I tho’t that when I heard the evo line it would make sense to anyone who did not have faith in the Bible. Imagine my shock when I started hearing the mishmash of ideas that do not peacefully coexist with each other, let alone actually being evident in the earth. I tho’t it was because I was attending a small school so I began to study what the leaders in the various fields said. No logic, no agreement, no sense, no way.
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Comic relief or DEADly serious graphic illlustrated art? http://tccsa.tc/nuckols/monkeys_cuz/fish_fossil.html
This one on a fossil fish is one of my favorites.
Dr. John Sanford Lectures on Inevitable Genomic Deterioration
@Sean Pitman: I will say this one more time. You are saying that I said things I did not say. I specificially and repeatedly specified things I agree with in the context in which I agree with them. If people cant read what I wrote and see where that intersects with Darwinians, then my disclaimers will not be understood either. I quoted people who explain what the term Darwinian evolution is perceived to be. Does one have to say things just exactly as you do in order for you to understand and respect them?
-Shining
Dr. John Sanford Lectures on Inevitable Genomic Deterioration
I say there are “changes that are the result of the mechanism of random genetic mutations combined with natural selection.”
If I decline eating a chowder(I am highly lactose intolerant)it does not mean that there is nothing in that soup that I could not eat. If I told people I ate chowder (but I was actually using a cashew based product) they would likely misunderstand and sooner or later I would be served food I shouldn’t eat.
While it is true that Hitler and company did some good things for Germany, I would not say I believe in some Nazi-ism. I would certainly be misunderstood.
Just so, if I say I believe in some Darwinian evolution, even if I make qualifiers, sooner or later someone is going to think I am supporting what I actually vigorously oppose. So I explain my position. I am a young life creationist who believes that about 6,000 years ago God created and built in variety to living things and after sin there were additionally mutations over time, some mindless, some engineered.
I do not remember saying that nothing Darwin said was ever true. When was this? I said that the explanations the evoutionsts give for different things do not peacefully coexist, but I never remember saying about anyone, that nothing they said was true.
Back to my original objection – Saying it this way does not mean one is incorrect or lacking in intelligence. When you disparage and disrespect those who believe similarly to you because they say it in a different way, you make your stance on the teachers at La Sierra very confusing.
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@Professor Kent: You have asked many more than one question. And when one is answered, you ask another. No one here claims to have all knowledge about the present, let alone the past but many of the questions you ask, you could find the reasonable creationist responce on the web, if you, as you have several times stated, really want to know.
-Shining
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thanks bob, i found that bird track article worth saving to a word document. Old saying proved again, “A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.” This won’t help those who don’t want to consider creation viable. Each time one of their accusations is explained they just go looking for another. But the article will help those who are honestly considering all the options. Thanks again
-Shining
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@Professor Kent: I am comfortable with fossils after the flood. It makes a lot of sense. I will say that many things both creos and evos believed got changed after the succession of events on Mt. St. Hellens so that anything stated beyond the accounts of inspiration are always tentative in my mind.
-Shining
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@ Professor kent – I could go on but this by Natl Geographic should do for a finale. If one looks it is easy to find a plethora of evidence. In spite of evidece not yet found, evidence kept in private collections, evidence destroyed or tamered with, or evidence about about which inaccurate conclusions have been drawn, there is volumes of it there for the looking. In the past, there were plants and animals much bigger than what we see today. -Shining
“A team of amateur spelunkers has discovered caves filled with very well preserved fossils of giant flat-faced kangaroos, marsupial lions, wombats, Tasmanian tigers, and other megafauna that lived in Australia during the Pleistocene era, http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/08/0807_020731_TVmegafauna.html
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NEW DELHI: The largest non-carbonaceous plant fossils, 140 times bigger than today’s algae species, have been discovered in western Rajasthan (India), opening a new window for understanding evolution of life on earth.
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-10-05/science/28098229_1_plant-fossils-jodhpur-scientists
