@george: Ah my dear erstwhile cowpoke roaming the range where …

Comment on Christians and the Sabbath by wesley kime.

@george: Ah my dear erstwhile cowpoke roaming the range where only is heard an agnostic word, now pontificating Socratic-questioning professor. Glad you came around – to the corral, if not yet to the, er, truth. While our indeed indomitable (If I reviewed all his activities you wouldn’t believe it) sheriff, Sean, seems to have attracted a couple of caviling caballeros (our cow-pasture operational metaphor would have them flies, swat the thought; I know one personally, a great and gifted friend), you and I seem naturally saddled up together, pards, lariats aswinging.

To leave no stream unpanned, I submit, A., Alas, most of us, whether we’re Trump or the pope, cannot be other than, damnit, resoundingly right. But by the Holy Spirit, a seldom known resource, and on condition of humility, if possible even more seldom known, neither by built-in superiority nor superiority of education, a man may have wisdom and actually be right, beyond postmodernistic correctitude. This comes to mind, a concatenation, probably I’ll be paraphrasing it: “The fear of the Lord, that is wisdom,” in Me only is wisdom, and “I dwell in a high a holy place, and with him who is of a contrite and lowly spirit.” That God should dwell in a person who proclaims from his own stump, “here I stand I’m right! I can be no other!” is an oxymoron – it just can’t happen, Adventist or anybody. Adventists are – I still hold, I can do no other – right in much of their interpretation of the scripture while much of the world is wrong. But they are not right in the eyes of God – nothing else matters – until they start their sermons not with “I’m right! Hear ye me!” but with “May I have a drink of water?”

B. You say “faith…to give meaning to their existence.” Faith? Meaning? Seems rioting or a pilgrimage to the latest movie requiring the suspension of disbelief and special effects, are more commonly believed to give meaning to life, virtual meaning which is close enough, as close as we want to get. Any closer and we would cry for the rocks and mountains to fall on us. Look, it isn’t just the having of faith that gives meaning, it’s what you have faith IN! And you know to whom I refer – it goes without saying. Backlit clouds and the hills are already saying it, singing it.

C. Enchanting list of charismatics, but as soon as EGW pops into it, I’ve got to shout across the lowing herd, WHOA THAR! I rather agree, the lady must have been charismatic, an apt adjective. But technically and classifiably a noun, a Charismatic? Horsefeathers! Likewise, that she proclaimed herself the new authority, balderdash! She insisted, shouted, reiterated incessantly, and convincingly, that the Bible is the only authority, not she, never. I take her at her word – she’s no authority. Only as she is consonant with the Bible, the consummate authority, is she authoritative. Likewise Sean, me, the whole SDA evangelizing caboodle.
d. “Something to ponder every 7 days.” Somehow I’m pondering as we speak – continually, almost continuously.

Until we swing the doors open again, WK

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Christians and the Sabbath
@george: Howdy, ole pard, ole sidekick. Yup, long ‘o tooth, that’s me. ‘N how long you’n me been out hee-are on sheriff Sean’s ole badlands, a-palaverin’ with our city-slicker Beverly hillbilly-li’l Abner -Wyatt Earp-Rick O’Shay aykscents? ‘Bout hey-uff a decade, ah reckon. Ah may be gettin’ so old ah’m a-losin’ me marbles, but by cracky if ah ain’t purty sure we been goin’ roun-‘n-roun in these here same egg-nostic ruts more’n a hunnerd times now, same tumblin’ tumble weeds, same ole egg-nostic prickly pears, same ole mirages, all dried up by now. Wall, whadeva ‘t takes, ‘cause you’n me’ll we’ll be a-strummin’ ‘n a-pickin’ ‘n a-circlin’ on into the sunset, sho-nuff hope so.


Christians and the Sabbath
@Kerry Wynne: Reader Wynne’s contribution is not at all unwelcome, for it is timely, providing a cogent precisely obverse support for the validity of God’s great gift to mankind, the 7th day. As Mr. Wynne says, “for those of you who are interested” in who Wynne is, the following is how he introduces himself, http://www.bible.ca/7-sabbathgate-1888ad-Kerry-Wynne.htm “I am a third generation Seventh-day Adventist of over 50 years of sabbath Keeping … [but] no longer believe in Ellen White. After a review of what was available on the Internet regarding the Sabbath versus Sunday question… I began attending a Bible-only, full Gospel, non-denominational church on Sunday morning. That was about four years ago. Fear of God and His judgment has been replaced with ever-increasing love for Him … Adventism is a more dangerous cult than ever.”

Now then, Wynne’s and my journey are rather similar, though in altogether opposite directions. I, like him, am a third generation Seventh-day Adventist of over 50 years (more like over 80 years) of sabbath keeping, and after reviewing the Bible, not the internet, and my own inner self, in communion with Jesus who Himself gave us the Sabbath, having rested on it at Creation and during it for our redemption, I am convinced that Seventh-day Adventism is a more pivotal message than ever.


Christians and the Sabbath
@george: Bless my slicked up or down mustache if palaverin’ with you ain’t like chasin’ after a tumbleweed. But you’ll never hear from me a discouraging word, out here on Sheriff Sean’s celestial range. Saddle up and tumble on!


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I accept that I must accept it, wholly, actively, even with agony, with my whole being.