There is no need of re writing. One cannot take …

Comment on Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation by John J.

There is no need of re writing. One cannot take one FB out from the remaining 27. If those who agree with this and have stated that they are all intertwined seem to ignore #20, “Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God’s creative and redemptive acts..”

Yet this does not surprise me as #11 is strongly ignored “No longer do we live in …., fear of evil powers”

The thing that is a surprise to some degree (or should it have been expected?), is in earlier posts/replies it was deemed the church has a hierarchy type of organization and that was part of the problem per say. Yet now the organization structure (the correct structure) is used to support the continued agenda. Talk about Lukewarm!!

The site (and now its sister site) has and continues to operate independently of that structure and discipline is asserts to speak of. The comments of brother Jon L. to have liberty to do as they please and not have their independence abridged seems more conducive of the site(s) than those they oppose or seek to correct.

Para or discordant independence is the question?

Comments contained in this thread, as well as previous ones, make it clear. I would see clear to start my own church fails on several points. What would this new church do with the scriptural point of having the SOP? Would it do as others have done and steal it from the Seventh-day Adventist church and claim it as thier own?
Would it claim to be a remnant of the remnant? That fails scripture in that the woman on the moon gives birth to ONE child, a man child and has no other offspring. If there is a claimed offspring from Adventism then that church as well as Adventism itself (whether historical, pioneered, modern, foundational, etc) is all not of the man child. The whole movement from its inception is false.

The whole thing reminds me of these statements:

“There are little companies continually arising who believe that God is only with the very few, the very scattered, and their influence is to tear down and scatter that which God’s servants build up. Restless minds who want to be seeing and believing something new continually, are constantly arising, some in one place and some in another, all doing a special work for the enemy, yet claiming to have the truth.They stand separate from the people whom God is leading out and prospering, and through whom He is to do His great work. They are continually expressing their fears that the body of Sabbathkeepers are becoming like the world; but there are scarcely two of these whose views are in harmony”. NL vol.1 pg 55

“Let everyone who reads these words give them thorough consideration, for in the name of Jesus I would press them home upon every soul. When anyone arises, either among us or outside of us, who is burdened with a message which declares that the people of God are numbered with Babylon, and claims that the loud cry is a call to come out of her, you may know that he is not bearing the message of truth. Receive him not, nor bid him Godspeed; for God has not spoken by him, neither has He given a message to him, but he has run before he was sent.” GW pg 41

Recent Comments by John J

Michigan Conference vs. LSU – Right Wing Politics or Truth in Advertising?

Holly&#032Pham: This same philosophy is present in the Pacific Union Conference and elsewhere. We will do what WE decide we want to do, despite what has been voted by the world Church.

Sister Holly, Umm, no I do not claim such nor ever have or will. Ironically, this site has. That is truly comical.

Michigan Conference vs. LSU – Right Wing Politics or Truth in Advertising?

Steve&#032Mahan: To show the SDA members that the G.C. is on top of the situation

LSU is not under authority of the GC. The only university that is inc. through the GC is Andrews.

LSU’s is inc, through the Pacific Conference not GC. Andrews is inc through the GC not Mich. conference.

This whole thing is not a debate over creation vs. evolution as much as it is lines of authority.

To which this site is accountable to no authority as is its sister site ADvindicate.

The agenda of this site to promulgate a hierarchy line of authority is rightfully and respectfully rejected, as manipulative it has been to accomplish such.

Michigan Conference vs. LSU – Right Wing Politics or Truth in Advertising?

BobRyan: Agreed

I am glad you agree.

I am unable to agree that it is fact/proof cause there is no vote to reverse it, there constituent meeting has not happend yet. Nor would I have info if it would make it to the agenda. There may be more pressing issues?

Agreed the GC only has authority over Andrews. As the GC has no authority over Pacific conference, neither does the Mich conference. Its actions are attmpting to, or at least manipulate outside the structure.

If Mich has a concern then they have to find the same concern across all world conferences and bring it to a GCS. To side step the structure and manipulate it is an attack on the church as a whole.

This whole effort has done it this way, which is sad. To say it is to promote transparencey and protect the church while it acctualy operates outside the churches structure and authority is bewildering.

Michigan Conference vs. LSU – Right Wing Politics or Truth in Advertising?

Holly&#032Pham: There is nothing “comical” about Conferences doing whatever they want, despite the worldwide delegates voting the opposite.

Sister Holly, there has been no GCS vote that is against a conference that I know of. Can you give reference to such votes you mention specifically? I do ask for refrain from bandwagons and other fallacies that are not conducive to honest discussions. Those and personal comments only highjack a discussion.

Michigan Conference vs. LSU – Right Wing Politics or Truth in Advertising?

BobRyan: it is the decision of at least 2/3 of the Conference constituency

Would you have the minutes reporting such? Um I dont belive it was a decision by delegates rather the conference acting in absence of a session. If it would come up/have room on the next agenda I have no idea.