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For those who haven’t already noticed, Prof. Jeffrey Kent has an article over on Adventist Spectrum attacking this website for Sean’s “blind faith” theology.
We see here that he is being duped into discussing an issue that has no direct involvment with our concerns has allowed our opponents and enemies to attack us on a peripheral issue, which actually has not direct involvement as to whether Biol. Profs have been teaching “evolution as fact” and, if so, why the LSU administration and Board has allowed this to continue, while keeping their heads in the sand.
We all should be wary of this tactic. It will and should be used by those who cannot defend the actual issue.
Kent, Erv Taylor, and others will be diligent in this matter,and I’m surprised AT or Spectrum haven’t used this tactic more often.
The most “dangerous” thing we can do is lose sight of our goal, which is to find the truth behind teaching “evolution as fact” at LSU and also the truth as to why this has been allowed to happen right under our “leaders” noses!
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A big reason why so many people are leaving the church
Am I mistaken, and we do believe in pre-sin death of non-human life?Do Adventists who believe in Evolution have a different view of the origin of sin?to get noticed: @SeanPittmanSean Pittman
J. Knight. I agree with you. However, I think you will find it difficult to “pin down” where sin happened with any evolutionist, SDA or not.
Most non-SDA’s simply will say “sin” is a manmade concept which has nothing to to with “God.”
The SDA’s? Well, how about some, or even one, coming on here to explain how “sin” got here.
A big reason why so many people are leaving the church
Shane Hilde: Agreed. Evolution has little to do with becoming a doctor, or pretty much any discipline that would utilize biology. Unless of course your dealing with a history oriented class dealing with origins.
Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with becoming a physician or practicing medicine. I’ve never,ever been asked any question about evolution in any exam, either in medical school, during residency, or on the Internal Medicine Board exam.
How about you Sean? Is Pathology based on evolution?
A big reason why so many people are leaving the church
Bill Sorensen: People leave “the church” when the church presents the true cross of scripture. And people don’t want to “bear the cross” and find a reason not to.Unbelievers receive massive doses of affirmation by other unbelievers who affirm a crossless religion that they claim is supported by the bible. In the end, most people are deceived because they want to be.By the way, nice to see you comment here Hubb. Hope all is well with you and your family.Bill Sorensen
You’re right on target again Bill! Sean’s lengthy post about Ken Ham’s book points out that most “reasons” involve some else’s “fault” or problem–“too boring” “legalism” “self-righteous” “hypocrisy” “too political” etc. Even the “too far to drive” is a total copout.
No one (or at least very few) seemingly stated, “Boy, I just thought it was going to be too tough to live a Christian life!” Instead, they use the loaded word “legalism” both blaming someone else and, in the process, avoiding having to state the reason in a personal way, taking responsibility for their choice.
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Faith: Prof Kent:How do you figure that this site keeps biology profs with integrity out of LSU? Any professor that is following the Bible, supporting creation, and the SDA church has nothing to hide and nothing to fear.When you say “quality” applicants, just how do you judge their credentials?As far as I am concerned, it is far more important that these professors have a firm grasp on the teachings of creation and the teachings of the Bible than any credentials the world can offer. If that had been the criteria used as a guideline for hiring, we wouldn’t be in this mess now. And that goes for all our SDA institutions.
I agree, Faith. However, the type of leadership (Guy,Geraty,and Wisbey)LSU has had over the past two decades shows why we have evolutionists teaching “evolution as fact” at LSU and those supporting any type of creationism being intimidated, both students, and I would suspect faculty as well.
Does the LSU Board even care about this deterioration in our biblical beliefs. Well, their inaction, ineptitude, and apathy in finding any solutions tell me they don’t, at least the majority who control the Board.
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Or, you could just eat some oatmeal, barley, or similar whole grain!
Shane Hilde: @Ron Stone M.D.: I agree. LSU has not been a shining light for our church. That’s unfortunate. That might be the case for other schools as well.
I have much more knowledge of PUC, and it has as many or more problems as LSU, although these have been, so far, ignored by most. PUC thrives on its “high ratings” from U.S. News and World Report, etc. But, it would get much lower ratings if someone knowledgeable from an SDA rating agency actually did a thorough investigation of the school.
[6/17/11 UPDATE] Two administrators, one biology professor, and one board member resign
Adventist kid: @Ron Stone M.D.:Continue to believe that if you want. Not a scientific sample to say the least, but I just asked roughly 80 high school graduates from this year whether they chose which school they were going to or if their parents did. I didn’t even get ten who said their parents limited their choices or prevented them from going to their first choice.
I’ll continue to believe what I actually see and hear, not some biased opinion from you.
[6/17/11 UPDATE] Two administrators, one biology professor, and one board member resign
David Bee: @Ron Stone M.D.: Tenured professors have a formal protective process before they can be terminated. Both resigned possible from their tenured positions as well.
Do you know this or just a guess? I certainly hope they’re gone from LSU completely!
